tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.comments2024-02-23T09:50:32.486-05:00Steele's AnswersCraig L. Adamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-55856308453539545682024-02-23T09:50:32.486-05:002024-02-23T09:50:32.486-05:00Here is the Greek:
20 Ὁ δὲ θεὸς τῆς εἰρήνης...Here is the Greek:<br /><br />20 Ὁ δὲ θεὸς τῆς εἰρήνης, ὁ ἀναγαγὼν ἐκ νεκρῶν τὸν ποιμένα τῶν προβάτων τὸν μέγαν ἐν αἵματι διαθήκης αἰωνίου, τὸν κύριον ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν, 21 καταρτίσαι ὑμᾶς ἐν παντὶ ἀγαθῷ εἰς τὸ ποιῆσαι τὸ θέλημα αὐτοῦ, ποιῶν ἐν ἡμῖν τὸ εὐάρεστον ἐνώπιον αὐτοῦ διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ᾧ ἡ δόξα εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας [τῶν αἰώνων], ἀμήν.<br /><br />The NRSV has:<br /><br />20 Now may the God of peace, who brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, 21 make you complete in everything good so that you may do his will, working among us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.<br />Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-89858457588687145982023-08-05T10:21:07.656-04:002023-08-05T10:21:07.656-04:00I checked out the Septuagint on Leviticus 4:20 to ...I checked out the Septuagint on Leviticus 4:20 to see if Steele's point about "atonement" is borne out there and it appears to me it is. The Septuagint (Ralf's) has ἐξιλάσεται from εκ + ιλεως. This would, indeed, seem to signify "propitiation." Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-19428229163763373832021-11-01T03:21:38.933-04:002021-11-01T03:21:38.933-04:00"Holiness unto the Lord is our watchword and ..."Holiness unto the Lord is our watchword and song".... what God has required He has provided for, the blood of the sinless Son of God still redeems fallen man and cleansed every sin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381798277863171019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-78339054060280878692021-08-07T13:00:55.160-04:002021-08-07T13:00:55.160-04:00Thanks for sharing. Alive Christians prayer and de...Thanks for sharing. <a href="https://www.alivechristians.com/daily-devotional-and-free-gift/" rel="nofollow">Alive Christians prayer and devotional</a>Sourav showhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564536195127800161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-88307982728978497792020-03-02T10:40:47.692-05:002020-03-02T10:40:47.692-05:00Well, if you are actually interested, here is Dr. ...Well, if you are actually interested, here is Dr. Steele’s perspective on the issues you raise: https://steelesanswers.blogspot.com/2013/04/is-perfect-love-requirement-for.html Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-20087738368650411832019-04-06T12:39:12.750-04:002019-04-06T12:39:12.750-04:00I think it’s worth noticing that John Wesley’s que...I think it’s worth noticing that John Wesley’s quest for holiness of heart and life actually pre-dated his evangelical conversion. Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-67676684275025612242019-04-06T09:01:36.053-04:002019-04-06T09:01:36.053-04:00"Conservative Holiness Movements" have u..."Conservative Holiness Movements" have used the "strangely warmed" testimony as a proof of a second work of grace, commonly called "holiness", or "sanctification". This experience of Wesley's was an apparent proof of actually being "saved", or whatever term one calls becoming a believer in Christ, the Son of God. David Caryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06864109333657256183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-26432916928342553152013-05-02T05:58:14.746-04:002013-05-02T05:58:14.746-04:00I see. The trend in contemporary scholarship is aw...I see. The trend in contemporary scholarship is away from the concept of the immortal soul. This does give some support to conditionalism. Your post is a thorough reply to Steele's views. Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-22812445973665548462013-05-02T02:52:39.977-04:002013-05-02T02:52:39.977-04:00"He feels that without the doctrine of the Im..."He feels that without the doctrine of the Immortality of the Soul the traditional eschatological scheme just doesn't work." And I would agree but come to different conclusions: that the traditional view is not correct! God alone is immortal http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2011/featured-article/god-alone-is-immortal/ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-88572554243754436842013-04-25T08:59:39.479-04:002013-04-25T08:59:39.479-04:00You are welcome. You are welcome. Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-7525403641574308252013-04-25T08:21:21.080-04:002013-04-25T08:21:21.080-04:00Excellent word for me today. Thank you.Excellent word for me today. Thank you.John Meunierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15640046073453219165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-29002299679510644142013-02-04T07:53:10.448-05:002013-02-04T07:53:10.448-05:00I would think so, too, George. And, it's inter...I would think so, too, George. And, it's interesting that we have no record of this. Some scholars speculate that some of Jesus' disciples were originally disciples of John the Baptist. This might suggest that John's baptism was accepted among followers of Jesus during His life time — but not post-Pentecost.Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-64379124187016425662013-02-03T19:54:44.076-05:002013-02-03T19:54:44.076-05:00This is a question of great interest. Do we assume...This is a question of great interest. Do we assume that The Twelve were baptized? If so, by whom and when? If not, how did baptism ever get established? The Risen Lord directs the apostles to baptize in Matthew. I would suppose that they themselves were baptized.Kurt Schwittershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10393280950551417099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-85102027301314491842013-01-29T15:23:55.210-05:002013-01-29T15:23:55.210-05:00I know similar sentiments can be found in the Chur...I know similar sentiments can be found in the Church Fathers (I'm thinking especially of Terullian, but this is probably true of many others as well). And, of course, the idea that a play is "a lie" is also what Plato thought.<br /><br />What would the Christians of the nineteenth century think of people in our day — with several televisions in their home? I imagine they would be horrified.<br /><br />But, this argument does not honor the imagination and it's importance. It does not honor the value of stories. And, the argument that it is "sowing to the flesh" could be made against anything a person found enjoyable. That fact that something is enjoyable does not make it sinful.Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-189327104546093642013-01-10T10:47:45.382-05:002013-01-10T10:47:45.382-05:00In our day, James D. G. Dunn has argued Morgan'...In our day, James D. G. Dunn has argued Morgan's thesis with great force in <i>Baptism in the Holy Spirit: A Re-examination of the New Testament on the Gift of the Spirit</i>. The book is already considered a classic. Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-10550018859362401652012-12-27T10:58:00.318-05:002012-12-27T10:58:00.318-05:00Click on "immortal"to bring up the other...Click on "immortal"to bring up the other relevant entries. <br /><br />Here, I think, is the telling remark (from "The Immoral Soul"): "The resurrection of both the just and the unjust, the General Judgement of the whole race resulting in its everlasting awards, as in Matthew 25:46, and other texts, are sufficient proof that man has an immortal soul."<br /><br />He feels that without the doctrine of the Immortality of the Soul the traditional eschatological scheme just doesn't work.Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-56940737199276990672012-12-27T10:34:46.190-05:002012-12-27T10:34:46.190-05:00Here Steele is engaged in a losing argument. A fri...Here Steele is engaged in a losing argument. A friend on Twitter suggests Oscar Cullman's discussion of this, which can be found here: http://jbburnett.com/resources/cullmann_immort-res.pdf<br /><br />Here's what I think is going on. Steele feels he absolutely needs the doctrine that <b>all souls God has created are immortal</b> or his doctrine of the afterlife doesn't work. Particularly, the traditional concept of "eternal torment in Hell" would be in jeopardy if natural immortality of souls is denied. If the immortality of souls is denied the only alternatives become: (a.) soul extinction for the unsaved or (b.) miraculous resurrection by God to a life of eternal torment. The second possibility is incompatible with Steele's concept of the benevolence of God.<br /><br />We notice in the earlier entry on this topic ("Is Immorality Conditional?") that he is on shaky theological ground in his argument for the immortality of the soul.<br /><br />So, the question for our generation is this: has the movement against dualistic understandings of the human person essentially pulled the rug out from under the traditional concept of Hell?Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-36850268560727575032012-12-14T09:29:30.395-05:002012-12-14T09:29:30.395-05:00He is so insistent on this point and on the immort...He is so insistent on this point and on the immortality of the soul, because otherwise he would have to accept Annihilationalism / Conditionalism.<br /><br />He's nice enough to say that it is otherwise "good people" who "have fallen into this error."<br /><br />I was taught in Seminary that the soul is <b>not</b> a detachable part of the human person. I think a lot of scholars are currently teaching that this is the Hebraic view (though whether it really is, is an open question, at least to me).<br /><br />But, since a scholarly consensus seems to be emerging <b>against</b> the idea of the "immortality of the soul" doesn't this entail the embrace of Conditionalism rather than Steele's preferred doctrine of eternal torment in Hell for the wicked?<br /><br />(I'm actually a bit conflicted on the "immorality of the soul" issue.)Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-37190650503016775092012-12-03T12:58:27.579-05:002012-12-03T12:58:27.579-05:00Hmm. That makes it sound a bit like it's a que...Hmm. That makes it sound a bit like it's a question that is not supposed to be asked.Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-21142520537578702552012-06-02T12:43:49.987-04:002012-06-02T12:43:49.987-04:00I was basically with him until he got to "......I was basically with him until he got to "...just as all pagans worship the devil." Really?Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-68396337484288168522012-02-17T11:39:21.800-05:002012-02-17T11:39:21.800-05:00Thanks, Gary.Thanks, Gary.Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-14081375220287860362012-02-17T11:02:24.509-05:002012-02-17T11:02:24.509-05:00Looks like Abebooks has several copies. Might also...Looks like Abebooks has several copies. Might also check with Windows Books, who are also connected to Wipf&Stock which does reprints of theological works. The electronic version is on google books: http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=GopJAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=readerGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00091445655872919350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-46649569863094881122012-02-04T16:31:45.668-05:002012-02-04T16:31:45.668-05:00Well, what do you know, the Barbara Heck story to ...Well, what do you know, the Barbara Heck story to which Dr. Steele alludes is in the Wikipedia enrty for "Barbara Heck": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_HeckCraig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-62895847822494110682012-01-13T17:44:16.690-05:002012-01-13T17:44:16.690-05:00Goofy question, goofy answer, from my point of vie...Goofy question, goofy answer, from my point of view. But I really like the phrase: "a chosen conformity to the nature of God...."Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-851555242021773397.post-6481844139174093042012-01-10T13:02:48.124-05:002012-01-10T13:02:48.124-05:00Well, I guess that's one way of dealing with i...Well, I guess that's one way of dealing with inconsistencies in the Scriptures.Craig L. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351091412370400350noreply@blogger.com